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Tomorrow Night's Storm

I like to look back at precip totals from the previous storm and see how the  models played out and the GFS won this past storm followed closely by the NAM and last was the Euro.  

 

The Euro had very little precip and was wrong and too far east with the track. GRADE "D"

 

The NAM was too high at times but came close to the actual totals about 12-24 hours from the storm. GRADE "B-"

 

The GFS was pretty much dead on with total precip and had the best consistency of the big models in the last three days. GRADE "B+"

 

The off run of the GFS came in with even more snow but like this last storm the temps are marginal but enough for wet snow Friday night into mid morning on Saturday.  Here is the latest model run RAW NUMBERS.

 

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I'm leaning on the GFS for this storm. I looked over 2-3 hours worth of maps and model performance this last 3 weeks and the Euro has been a miss too many times within 48 hrs and the NAM has been way too high or too warm on occasions.

 

I know the GFS has the highest output right now but the track and trough set-up shows the reasoning for why I think the GFS has the trend correct as of this morning.  

 

Some of you completely wrote off the storm as rain yesterday and yeah it snowed in many places. The stick factor has been a problem but once again it snowed.

 

I want you all to forget the last three winters..they were a fluke for sure. We had back to back huge winters with big storms...that is rare. We had no snow last winter... for the most part...rare again.  This winter has been sub par for many but it's getting closer to closer to what a winter is really like in the Mid Atlantic region.

 

Small storms some rain to snow...1-2 light to moderate events etc. Let the winter play out and enjoy each storm as it shows up on the models and plays out the day of the storm.

 

I really do not watch or look at other media outlets for what they are saying ...it often clouds my judgement (no pun intended). I will continue to show you what is on the models...make a first and second call and do what I've been doing the past 6 years on this website. Teach...Learn...Predict.

 

WHEN: FRIDAY NIGHT TO SATURDAY NIGHT

WHERE: DC TO BOSTON

TYPE: WET SNOW (SLUSHY ON GRASSY AREAS, CARS)

WILDCARDS: OCEAN INFLUENCE, SPEED OF STORM

 

 NEW GFS JUST IN 12z/7am TODAY... NOT A FORECAST

 GFS 6z/1am MODEL RUN....NOT A FORECAST

NAM 12z/7am NEW RUN...RAW NUMBERS

EURO LAST NIGHT NUMBERS

 

.70" liquid for Philly 4-6" of snow now

.44"  liquid for Philly 3-5" wet snow

.28"  liquid for Philly 2-3" snow...NAM is colder this run

.16" liquid for Philly 1-2" wet snow (warm to start at surface)

PHILLY METRO 1ST CALL FROM ME    2-4"


.21" liquid for Allentown 1-2" wet snow

.19" liquid for Allentown 1-2" wet snow

.04" liquid for Allentown  0-1" wet snow

.11" liquid for Allentown 0-1" wet snow

ALLENTOWN 1ST CALL FROM ME 1-2"

 

1.03" liquid for Millville-Vineland 4-8" of snow

.55" liquid for Millville-Vineland 3-5" of snow

.47" liquid for Millville-VIneland 2-4" of snow

.07" liquid for Millville-Vineland 0" of snow

MILLVILLE-VINELAND 1ST CALL FROM ME 3-6"

 

.55" liquid for NYC (3-6" wet snow)

.42"  liquid for NYC (3-5" wet snow)

.25" liquid for NYC (2-4" wet snow)

.20" liquid for NYC (1-2" wet snow)

NYC METRO 1ST CALL FROM ME 2-4"

 

.45" liquid for Morristown (North Jersey) (2-4" of snow)

.38" liquid for Morristown (North Jersey) 2-3" of snow)

.13" liquid for Morristown (North Jersey 1" of snow)

.21" liquid for Morristown (North Jersey 1-2" of snow)

MORRISTOWN (NORTH JERSEY) 1ST CALL 1-3"

  

.36" liquid for Baltimore (2-4" wet snow) lingering snow

.63" liquid for Baltimore (3-5" wet snow) 2 part storm

.41" liquid for Baltimore (2-4" wet snow) snow lingers into Saturday

.09" liquid for Baltimore (no big deal on the Euro again)

BALTIMORE METRO 1ST CALL FROM ME  1-3"

 

.37" liquid for DC Metro (2-4") of snow (it lingers)

.68" liquid for DC Metro (3-5" wet snow) 2 part storm

.42" liquid for DC Metro (2-4') wet snow) lingering snow

.10" liquid for DC Metro (1"? wet snow) no big deal again

D.C. METRO 1ST CALL FROM ME 1-3"

 

 

Blog started by rob guarino , on 94 days ago
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Karen
How about Berks county? We seem to be falling off everyone's radar on these posts lately. :-(
94 days ago
 
Marcus wild
Once again this will be for NE, Philly will get shafted again for sure. Euro does better with the trough, way less precip. NAM, good spot but weak. FIM (which did good lastnight IMO) keeps heavy precip NYC and east.

C-2" for deleware valley.
94 days ago
 
Carole
Rob: Tomorrow the high here in the Philly area is suppose to be in the lower 50's. How would it affect the precip this weekend?
94 days ago
 
Marcus wild
My call is with rebel this time. I won't bite. I'm 100% bitter now. C-2" this weekend is all I expect.
94 days ago
 
Marcus wild
Oh this is coming around...
94 days ago
 
Jeff McCoach
Looking for some help on this one.
If the High located off of the DR and moving east expanded and moved more North, would that help push the the developing coastal Low off the NCarolina to the west?

http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~fxg1/GFSTROPATL_12z/gfsloop.html
94 days ago
 
Freeze-mizer
UKMET has anted up, but isn't confident about it's hand....
94 days ago
 
Snowfall100
Cmc need to go 150 miles west in about a day for a big hit for philly or atleast some decent snows
94 days ago
 
Freeze-mizer
re:CMC. typically in any business/industry you run in parallel with the new system for a period of time (usually up to 3 months) to make sure results are good comparatively, and bugs are worked out.

So if their "upgrade" announcement meant that period is over and they swung to the new environment - then new model run. Otherwise I would guess it's still the older model.
94 days ago
 
Freeze-mizer
yardley - we were right on the edge.
94 days ago
 
Snowfall100
Freeze where are you located?
94 days ago
 
Jeff McCoach
The ensembles are an interesting look. Many of the ensembles in the SREF 0900UTC show a lot more moisture than what is given in the GFS or CMC. Is this a sign that GFS and CMC will gradually add more moisture in the next two runs??

CURRENTLY... I think Jersey gets a nice snow.
94 days ago
 
Brett Hansler
http://collaboration.cmc.ec.gc.ca/cmc/cmoi/product_guide/docs/changes_e.html

yes model upgraded runs started yesterday 12z
94 days ago
 
Freeze-mizer
Jeff - Not sure but either way, it's a positive step. Would be more confident if it was the new model!!

36 - I hope you get it. I was lucky to get 6" from the storm last weekend - which was enough for kids/friends to have 2 great days of sledding/fun. it felt good. Hang in there - this one always seemed real for potential, though not the slow moving crushing storm I wanted - but another 6" would be fine with me!
94 days ago
 
36InchesOnTheWay
Here in Delco, I have yet to see my grass get covered this Winter. Maybe this will be the one, although I have my doubts (not to sound Tim'ish).
94 days ago
 
Jeff McCoach
Freeze

No kidding! It sure did. I'm wondering the same thing about the upgrade too.
94 days ago
 
Swipe
gfs snow map http://puu.sh/22tf2
94 days ago
 
Freeze-mizer
BTW - 12Z CMC has anted up. Is this the upgraded CMC?
94 days ago
 
Snowfall100
rob can snow exceed 6 in from this
94 days ago
 
Jeff McCoach
More specific....

drifting to the west and more moisture from previous runs
94 days ago
 


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