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00z Model Disc 1:33AM

MODEL SCOREBOARD:

 

NAM- 3-6" band from MD into PHL SE into all of S Jersey into N DE

 

GFS- 3-6" for Northern VA-DC-SE PA-PHL-Trenton-Northern DE...Coastal areas and southern two thirds of DE have temp issues that will lower snowfall.

 

GGEM- 3-6" DC-PHL-Trenton on east.

 

UKMET- 3-6" makes it up to NYC and down through DC.  Shows closer to 6" for Philly on east.

 

EURO- 1-2" for many

 

 

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 NAM

Screen shot 2013-02-11 at 9.30.01 PM

 

The model is quicker with the kicker s/w and this prevents the main system from slowing down.  By not slowing down the NAM has a harder time getting things together and cuts back on convection across the Southeast.  Verbatim this upper level set up is not the real destroyer for a more significant snow in the area and slightly farther north.  It is the lack of convection that gets going across the Gulf Stream and Southeast.  So a slight tweak in this model brings back bigger numbers and slighlty farther north.

 Screen shot 2013-02-11 at 9.52.37 PM

 

We can assume that this profile is similar for many in that heavier snow band.  The profile above shows 2 great things for snow lovers.  The sounding shows roughly 75mb thick dendritic snow growth zone coinciding with some instability.  This should lead to the potential for 1"hr rates in this heavier band.  This will help the stick factor.  

 

GFS

Screen shot 2013-02-11 at 10.52.09 PM

 

Dark blue is 3-4"....lighter blue is 4-5". 

 

Screen shot 2013-02-11 at 11.05.55 PM

 

The kicker s/w is not as amped. This does not impact our system for a little while longer giving it room to slow down.  This means a few things:

 

1) Slightly longer duration of the event

 

2) This leaves the door wide open for a trend higher in QPF and slightly higher qpf

 

The image above shows very strong diffluence right over MD into C PA. This is a great sign for favorable precip growth and intensity.  The GFS backs down from the 18z GFS, but it is a great step in the right direction if you want a bigger snow storm.  The first global model of the night is not impressed with kicker s/w which is a great thing!

 

GFS leaves the door open for surprise start:

Screen shot 2013-02-11 at 11.23.09 PM

 

The model does not show any precip or anything much for portions of SE PA into NJ.  As I mentioned above the upper levels are extremely favorable for precip growth into this region.  Also in this region is the potential for slantwise convection.  Weak conditional stability extends into the 650-500mb layer.  The strong mid level forcing extends into the area mentioned above with this slantwise instability possible.  The layer is saturated in addition with a reduction in absolute vorticity showing up in the model.   Slantwise convection takes longer to develop than upright convection, but the GFS leaves this door open for the onset of this event.  Something to watch closely.  

 

 

UKMET

Screen shot 2013-02-11 at 11.52.07 PM

 

Shows a nice hit in the previous frame for DC and Northern VA.  But this system really gets going as it departs and drops 10-15mm from SE PA/Much of NJ/LI.  That is a 0.40-0.60" approximate liquid equivalent.  The frame before gave a little bit more which could lead to a few amounts exceeding 6" across Philly on east.  

 

GGEM

Screen shot 2013-02-12 at 1.26.54 AM

 

EURO

Screen shot 2013-02-12 at 1.27.12 AM

 

 

Summary

 


The global models may have different solutions with the Euro not being impressive and the GFS/UKMET/GGEM all agreeing on a 3-6" event.  But more importantly is that all models slowed down this system tonight.  This is good for two reasons if you like snow:

 

1) It comes in later and possibly stays around longer during the nighttime hours.  This will allow more sticking and lessen the worries of a warm ground.

 

2) It gives the system more room to impress and come a little bit north.  As I pointed out on the GFS, there is room for this to increase qpf in a realistic manner.  The more time we allow this low to strengthen the more it can impress especially with the convection over the Southeast.  

 

A lot to look forward to in the 12z runs!

Blog started by Mike DeFino , on 101 days ago
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Lee H
Mike how will vday storm affect the weekend one. Have u seen the gfs ensembles, nogaps, fim and ukmet, all have major blizzards. Euro and gfs both trended west.
101 days ago
 
Scootch
One must remember that these numbers are just model outputs. In real life, one must consider the warmth preceding the storm, perhaps any rain preceding the storm and the "fluff factor", which will be extremely low. Reality says, while qpf amounts might be 0.4 to 0.6 inches, that does not correlate with 4-6 inches. Melting will occur early on and the wet snow will actually compact due to weight. Logic dictates a 1-3 to 2-4 inch snowfall maximum.
101 days ago
 
Lee H
Look at mean too!!
101 days ago
 
Lee H
Gfs ensembles!!!!!!!
101 days ago
 
78yanks
Tim..

Looks like a nice start with precip beginning this far out with .50+"
101 days ago
 
tim riggins
http://raleighwx.americanwx.com/models/gfsensemble/00zgfsensemblep12132.gif

http://raleighwx.americanwx.com/models/gfsensemble/00zgfsensemblep24132.gif
101 days ago
 
78yanks
Okay, Praise The Lord, I want Snow and Salvation, onto weather...
101 days ago
 
tim riggins
WOWOWOWOWOWOW!

CHECK OUT THE GFS ENSEMBLES FOR THE PD3 STORM
101 days ago
 
tim riggins
Look up Mark Dice on youtube.

check his vids out.

Ok Mike, I am done talking about it.

GO SNOW1
101 days ago
 
toNY
Ok sorry Mike
101 days ago
 
Phillywhiteout
Thanks again Mike! By first telling the weenies to calm down from the new model run and then telling them to stick to weather on this thread...you the man!
101 days ago
 
toNY
The end is near fellas. But hopefully we get some nice snowstorms before that happens. 78yanks I agree with u bout the coming.
101 days ago
 
Mike DeFino
use off topic for your discussion...keep it weather
101 days ago
 
tim riggins
78yanks, don't get me started with the free masons,bilderburg group, illuminati, etc.

I could go on all day about that, I mean literally all day. I began to research this stuff back in 09-10
I have opened the eyes of many who were paying attention to what the mainstream media was showing and I began hard in depth research, now I know so much.
101 days ago
 
Lee H
Ukmet shows storm as monster!
101 days ago
 
78yanks
The rise of the new roman empire and the last days leading up to the tribulation.

The leaders of todays world are key players and are in power to rule and dictate to the masses. Any leader in power now is meant to be here and most do not have freedom as there best interests for the people.

Deception and pure lies come from the unholy leaders, this world is ready for the second coming,

'It is written it will be done" !

101 days ago
 
Lee H
But it is the ggem. Euro will hopefully give us something
101 days ago
 
Lee H
Yup Tim, looks like a cutter
101 days ago
 
tim riggins
this pd3 storm IS ALL OVER THE PLACE

0z GGEM just took the low west of pittsburg it looks like lol
101 days ago
 
toNY
Really .... I dunno I just read this...look it up since we have time until the euro comes out
http://www.irishcentral.com/roots/St-Malachy-predicted-Pope-Benedicts-successor-will-be-last-pope-190715001.html
101 days ago
 


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