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Euro Update 3:00pm

WHAT: NOR'EASTER

WHERE: DELAWARE TO MAINE including NJ PA NY LI CT NH ME MA VT

WHEN: 5:00am Friday to 7:00am Saturday (Delaware Valley)

WHEN: 9:00am Friday to Noon Saturday (Lehigh Valley/Poconos)

WHEN: 11:00 am Friday to 2pm Saturday (NYC North Jersey LI)

 

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MIKE DEFINO's RPM MODEL UPDATE 3PM

 

 

I like the Euro as my model of choice for this storm in many ways. I do think it has been on this from the get go and it is now starting to tweak the storm. In the end I think my snow map will sit between the Euro and GFS with a closer lean to the Euro. So lets look at the raw numbers and compare the two runs. 

I also look at the NAM and CMC Canadian but I'm leaning on the Euro and GFS for 80% of my forecast thinking at this point.

 

NUMBERS ON THE LEFT GFS. RIGHT EURO. BELOW THAT MY 1st CALL

 

 

Wilm DE...Rain to Snow Friday night 2-4"    Euro...2-3" rain to snow

Rob's call for Wilmington DE... 2-4" rain to snow

 

 

Philly PA...Rain to snow by Friday night 3-5"    Euro 3-5" rain to snow

Rob's 1st call for Philadelphia Rain to snow 3-5" 

 

 

Reading...Rain to snow by Friday night 3-5"   Euro 3-5" rain to snow
Rob's 1st call for Reading Pottstown King of Prussia 3-5"

 

Allentown...Rain to snow  by Friday 4pm 4-6"   Euro 5-8" 90% snow

Rob's 1st call for Allentown, Perkasie, Easton, Bethlehem, 4-7"

 

Trenton NJ...Rain to snow by Friday night 3-5"  Euro 4-6" rain to snow

Rob's 1st call for Trenton Ewing Florence Cranbury 4-6" 

 

Lancaster PA... All snow 4-6"   Euro 4-6" all snow

Rob's 1st call for Lancaster Lititz 4-6"

 

Atlantic City...Mostly rain...snow late 1-3"  Euro 3-5" rain to snow

Rob's 1st call A.C. Tuckerton Ocean City LBI   2-5" rain to snow

 

Millville NJ...Rain to snow late 2-4"  Euro 2-4" Rain to snow

Rob's 1st call for Millville Vineland Elmer Dennis 2-4" rain to snow

 

 

Dover DE...Rain to snow 1-3"

 

Baltimore...Rain to flurries

 

DC Metro...Rain showers

 

 

 

Poconos...Mostly snow little mix 6-8"

 

Scranton-Wilkes Barre...Snow...little mix 6-8"   Euro 5-8" Snow

Rob's 1st call for Scranton Dunmore Carbondale 5-8" Snow

 

NYC Metro...Light snow to rain to snow 4-6"  Euro Mix to Snow 7-10"

Rob's first call for NYC Western LI Elizabeth NJ Mix to Snow 5-9"

 

North Jersey...Light snow to rain to snow 4-6" Euro Mix to Snow 7-10"

Rob's 1st Call for North Jersey Paramus Hackensack Hoboken 5-9"

 

Long Island (Islip) Light snow to rain to snow 4-7"

 

 

 

Lower Hudson Valley...All snow 8-12"

 

Binghamton NY...All snow  8-12"

 

Albany NY... All snow 8-11"

 

Syracuse NY All snow 8-12" (lake snow possible sat night)

 

Springfield MA All snow 9-13"

 

Burlington VT All snow 8-11"

 

 

 

Boston...All snow 18-22"  Euro 30-32" Snow (3 runs in a row !)

Rob's 1st call for Boston Roxbury Foxboro 27-32"

 

Providence...90% snow...some mix  19-22" 

 

Portland ME...All snow 15-20"

 

Hartford CT...All snow 12-14"

 

Blog started by rob guarino , on 103 days ago
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Lee H
Rob should we put any weight onto the 18z run that showed cold and more qpf for the NYC Philly corridor?
103 days ago
 
Freeze-mizer
Sounds good John!

I think the precip is bigger / more intense, both N & S, compared to the 12 or 18Z runs. WV looks really good for the start.
103 days ago
 
John Manetta
I'm going to go over a lot of data and get ready to issue a forecast, (hopefully I won't mess up my streak), I'll be back later on (hopefully with good news).
103 days ago
 
John Manetta
Freeze-mizer; I'm already on it (looking at where a couple of systems, impulses, etc, initialized to compare where they end up later on and how they acted).
103 days ago
 
John Manetta
The 6Z and 18Z are off runs, however, they carry more weight when we're this close then if it was a week ago.
103 days ago
 
Freeze-mizer
Although encouraging - I don't put too much into the 18Z even if it showed a blizzard for us. (ok - i'd totally buy into the blizzard :) )

I think nowcasting should be used to see current versus 12Z runs, and when the 0Z runs come out, we can tell if they're onto it, or missing it.
103 days ago
 
Jaryd More
Hopefully that continues or gets even better on 00z
103 days ago
 
36InchesOnTheWay
JW, don't you love how the 18z gets absolutely no love unless it shows the type of result it just did? It paves the way for a VERY interesting night of model watching.
103 days ago
 
Jaryd More
18z gfs colder and snowier. Philly looks like 3-6" to me on that run.
103 days ago
 
Jonathan Wenner
18z (The crappy GFS run) just went 8-12" for ABE with a sick band at the end of the storm as it wraps up. Was an early phase with more precip
103 days ago
 
Matt
I think this storm will pull out a surprise at some point. I have a feeling (no model guidance backing me up or anything) that we will get more then predicted in Philly and to the N/W Suburbs and Lehigh Valley.....the trend is getting better
103 days ago
 
John Manetta
For being this close to the event the disagreement is significant, which is why it is good that the NWS is maintaining continuity of forecast.
103 days ago
 
kevin patterson
Everybody just ignore the certain person on here don't feed him just listen to the people who know what the heck is going on here leave it at that
103 days ago
 
Blue Blaster
Given how strong the winds will be and how much cold air will be drawn in on the backside (and temps will absolutely plummet quickly), we can't rule out a good accumulation for the DV and points just to the south - even into Cap May Co.

Stay tuned. This story is just beginning.

Down here in the mid-south, we'll try to toss some extra GOM moisture into the system.
103 days ago
 
36InchesOnTheWay
Right Wenner, 50 miles, not 100-150. And if we've learned anything over the years, it's that a storm can certainly shift 50+ miles one way or another; especially when we're still outside the 36 hour window.
103 days ago
 
John Manetta
Actually Tim, nevermind, people may actually have questions that I can answer as a meteorology major and I don't want to waste time going back to look at the other things, also, it wouldn't be fair to point out things that you said without doing the same for everyone else, so I'm not going to go any further regarding that.
103 days ago
 
scoopy
Im still hanging in for a change for the better Marcus.....late night tonight with the model runs
103 days ago
 
chris
Marcus I'm there with ya.. Jersey Shore gets nothing, while just 30 miles west they will get up to 6 inches..
103 days ago
 
Jonathan Wenner
Marcus, only by prob 50 miles
103 days ago
 
John Manetta
Firstly: when you said "We might see just rain and wet snow on the backend giving us no accumulation which is very likely at this point," I could not disagree more, the CMC, GFS, ECMWF just to name a few give this area significantly more then that, you aren't seeing this in the NWS forecasts yet because it is common policy to keep continuity,in outlook, that is, when it is avoidable it's best to not make sudden, drastic changes to the forecast. Slowly changing the forecast by ramping it up, or down is best....
103 days ago
 


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