Thursday & Friday Snow ? (Back end to clipper)

The one thing that stands out to me this afternoon is the fact that some many little and medium features are showing up on the models and in the pattern that the models are going to change quick a bit from day to day and run to run.

 

We are going into several cold periods so most of the events will be snow or no snow at this point. The February 5th event has been advertised for some time now and at this point may bring the best potential the next 10 days.

 

COLD WAVE #1

 

This is in the wake of the noah's ark event tomorrow along the east coast. We have other blogs on this event so I will not get into the rain, wind and storms since this is a winter blog.

 

COLD WAVE #1 is later Thursday night until Monday and the NAM GFS EURO all agree on the cold wave so the cold air will be in place from North Carolina to Maine and back through the Ohio Valley and Midwest.

 

BACK END SNOW THURSDAY ??

 

This is always a tough call and more times than not the front will clear with colder drier air moves in as the precip moves out. We have seen from Allentown PA and points north into NY PA a snowy nding but this will be a tough call until really the last minute.

 

GFS BACK END SNOW BELOW

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EURO BACK END SNOW BELOW

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NAM BACK END SNOW

 

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So what do we have on the models for Thursday morning? It's interesting that we have some snow on the back end but it could be nothing more than let over cold as the moisture moves out.

 

The dotted blue line on the left map is th 540 snow line and the precip is in green..darker the color the more precip.

 

The red line on the right is the 850mb snow line at 5000 feet. Clearly all the models have the cold air rushing in from 5000 feet to the ground.

 

It has happen this time year as the cold rushes in so for now Allentown North to NYC...40% of snow on the back end...Philly to Baltimore 25% chance.  We'll watch if for you but the issue may be the surface temps are too warm as the precip rolls out Thursday morning.

 

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FRIDAY....THE LITTLE CLIPPER THAT COULD ?

 

It's interesting on the NAM and GFS and since this is 72 hours away it's now in play to watch. The NAM and GFS rolls a small band of high snow ratio snow on Friday with a period of light snow from PA to DC MD including DE and NJ. It's all snow so here is how the models play it out.

 

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NAM LOOK FOR FRIDAY                     GFS LOOK FOR FRIDAY

 

PHILLY METRO GFS FRIDAY .11" x 12:1 = 1.3" SNOW

PHILLY METRO NAM FRIDAY .12" x 12:1 = 1.4" SNOW

 

ALLENTOWN GFS FRIDAY .05" x 13:1 = 0.7" SNOW 

ALLENTOWN NAM FRIDAY .00" x 13:1 = 0.0" SNOW

 

READING PA GFS FRIDAY .09" x 13:1 = 1.2" SNOW

READING PA NAM FRIDAY .02" x 13:1 = 0.3" SNOW

 

LANCASTER PA GFS FRIDAY .11" x 12:1 = 1.3" SNOW

LANCASTER PA NAM FRIDAY .09" x 12:1 =  1.1" SNOW

 

WILM DE GFS FRIDAY .09" x 12:1 = 1.1" SNOW

WILM DE NAM FRIDAY .17" x 12:1 = 2.0" SNOW

 

DOVER DE GFS FRIDAY .02" x 12:1 = .25" SNOW

DOVER DE NAM FRIDAY .08" x 12:1 = 1.00" SNOW

 

MILLVILLE NJ GFS FRIDAY .05" x 12:1 = 0.6" SNOW

MILLVILLE NJ NAM FRIDAY .14" x 12:1 = 1.7" SNOW

 

BALTIMORE GFS FRIDAY .02" x 12:1 = .25" SNOW

BALTIMORE NAM FRIDAY .05" x 12:1 = .60" SNOW

 

WASHINGTON DC GFS FRIDAY Flurries
WASHINGTON DC NAM FRIDAY .01" x 11:1 = .20" SNOW

 

MORRISTOWN NJ GFS FRIDAY .03" x 13:1 = .40" SNOW

MORRISTOWN NJ NAM FRIDAY .01" x 13:1 =  .13" SNOW

 

NEWARK NJ/ NYC GFS FRIDAY .03" x 12:1 = .36" SNOW

NEWARK NJ/ NYC NAM FRIDAY .01" x 12:1 = .12" SNOW

 

TRENTON NJ GFS FRIDAY .08" x 12:1 = 1.0" SNOW
TRENTON NJ NAM FRIDAY .01" x 12:1 = 0.1" SNOW

 

MY THINKING AT THIS POINT...

 

Wednesday and Thursday are gonna be wild for some with a pop in warmth with a line of thunderstorms, heavy rain and wind. Thursday it could snow for some.

 

 Tomorrow & Tomorrow night a Wind Advisory...a Severe Thunderstorm Watch and a Flood Watch may be posted along the Mid Atlantic and Northeast. I expect to see temps drop pretty quick into the Thursday morning rush hour..how fast they drop will decide if we get rain to snow.  The best chance of that is Allentown to Binghamton NY over to Suburban North and Central NJ.

 

Thursday is a day of change with colder temps maybe a few snow showers and gusty winds. 

 

Friday is still a watch and wait with periods of light snow or flurries from Allentown to DC including the NJ DE MD beaches.

 

CLICK HERE MIKE DEFINO BLOG ON FEB 5-6 SNOW STORM 

Blog started by rob guarino , on 141 days ago
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Marcus wild
SREF has 1-3" Friday for Philly to Wilmington on a straight line east at the width of those cities.
140 days ago
 
Kevin Reilly
It is snow... but this winter is really a nickle and dime kind of winter for sure. Hey you take what you can get it is still better than last year.
140 days ago
 
tim riggins
Rob,
I was wondering, the 00z NAM shows some good backend snow it seems, but when I look at the snow map for it, it has no accumulation.
140 days ago
 
rob guarino
Lee...

The back snow is possible there...friday looks a bit more south. The way the models have been a lot can change the next 72 hours
140 days ago
 
Lee H
Hey rob what do you think for the NYC metro and Long Island?
140 days ago
 
Victor C
I'll take some snow on Sat morning but please not another Friday rush hour mess!
141 days ago
 
Heat Island 718
One thing i notice with the NAO its not the position pos, or neg thats so important its the rate of change of the NAO if it suddenly crashes we get powerful storms but if it gently crashes or rises we get light snow events. Who would agaree or disagree
141 days ago
 
Heat Island 718
Im glad the backend snow is still on the table because i mentioned his before over last weekend when the 12utcNAM first flashed it on the screen. Been away for awhile. The question to ask here is how much and how fast will the cold air penetrate while the cold front is passing by. Orographic factors withe the terrain would eat up QPF and we all know that diving cold air from the lee side of the mountains always dries and warms due to frictional factors but the models are still keeping this onbthe table. Its rare but not impossible. It has happened before. Lets see wew talking about a 28 deg drop in less than 3 hours according to the GFS and NAM. Nice !!!! The only thing is the QPF will there still be some left.
141 days ago
 
rob guarino
Steve....not looking that far ahead yeah. I'll have my Feb outlook up in a day or so.
141 days ago
 
Steve Eisenhower
Rob, I saw a forecast for warmer then average mid-month..are you seeing that or not?
141 days ago
 
Freeze-mizer
Well - at least it's becoming more active in a good way! A couple of clipper potentials (small but fun), and maybe something more in potential next week. It's better than just our wishing the pattern would change!
141 days ago
 
rob guarino
Freeze....good point...the front tend to mess with the models until they clear and get a better idea. With so many pieces of energy (clippers) I think we'll see some interesting changes to the models day to day
141 days ago
 
Freeze-mizer
I like the 5th, but as I stated in my blog the other day - tele-connection concerns (PNA & NAO) will drive us nuts - so I agree with you guys. Still - it's been showing potential on the runs - so we'll see. I think this mega-front needs to get through so the models can see what's next better. Looks like a lot of energy with this front.
141 days ago
 
rob guarino
The GFS actual has snow on Thursday Marcus....This will be fun to watch. I think a dramatic change rolls through the region tomorrow night into Thursday morning.
141 days ago
 
Marcus wild
I'd love to see the cold air beat the thunderstorms here and get some snow squalls goin!
141 days ago
 
rob guarino
Jonathan I agree on the NAO...it has not been all that good of late.
141 days ago
 
Jonathan Wenner
I like next weeks threat much better for ABE. Looks like last Friday's event, but a lot more moisture possibly involved. The 1 factor that could inhibit a larger storm is the NAO being near a +2
141 days ago
 


 

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