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12z Model Analysis 1:07PM

MODEL SCOREBOARD

 

NAM- 4-7" for DC/DE/MD/NJ/E PA toward NYC. Jackpot is DE/Extreme S NJ with 7+" *Model not recommended*

 

GFS- Trace-2" for everyone but coastal areas (2-3") *Model not recommended*

 

GGEM- Widespread 6-12+" from Philadelphia-Trenton-Southeast PA-Much of VA-DC-DE-MD-Most of NJ....Areas outside highest qpf (NW NJ-NYC-NE PA) the ratios help out big time for a 4-7" event

 

EURO-  1-2" for many 2-4" for Philly south.

 

UKMET- Major Snow Storm for N VA/DC/MD/DE/NJ/E PA/NYC/NY/New England

 

 

 

NAM

 

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NAM is like the GFS and flatter with the ridge in the Western US.  The model is very poor in this range and I am only using it in this model discussion to show how easy it is for the GFS to switch.  The NAM is flatter with the ridge but stronger with the s/w resulting in a winter storm for a good part of the area.

 

This model is not favored as is the GFS because of one key reason:

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If you look at the daily charts we are in a phase 7 today, but current IR imagery says we are nto far off from a phase 8.  So even if the MJO throws a curve ball and jumps from phase 7 to 8, it really does not mean much of a change in the going forecast for the European model from the last 3 runs to be right. Both favor high heights over the Western US that the GFS and NAM do not see!

 

Above we have the signature of the phase 7 with convection along and south of the Equator from 140E to 120W with a blow up of convection around the Philippines.  Phase 8ish comes in over South America and Brazil extending over to Africa and a fire up of convection in the Western Indian Ocean.  

 

I showed a phase 7 in January yesterday so here is a phase 8 composite in January:

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The models are having a tough time in the Pacific and that is why we are seeing disagreement.  When this energy comes inland we will see the models converge on a solution.  Using observations we believe the models will converge on a major snow storm and not a sheared out system.  The NAM and GFS wil make a jump but we have another day until that happens.

 

GFS

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Canadian

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This solution on the GGEM is possible and the important thing to stress here is this is not a locally heavy snowfall event.  It is a widespread event that many are going to share in.  Notice VA gets slammed on this run with heavy qpf and ratios closer to  10:1 while areas across NE PA get lighter qpf with ratios that could exceed 20-25:1! So even with bullseyes of over a foot possible in the lower Middle Atlantic we could still see amounts around 7-8" away from the best qpf. 

 

UKMET

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Big time snow storm for many and this is the reuslt of a slightly stronger ridge (not as strong as I would like to see) but the favorable interaction with southern low results in a big time event.  

 

EURO

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Verbatim the Euro is a miss for many but a very different solution from the GFS.  The ridge is still amped up but the moisture is not there on this run.  The ratios are still very impressive and this could still be a 3-5" snow event despite poor qpf on the Euro for Philadelphia.

 

Conclusion

 

Models are having a tough time with the Pacific.  We have to remember the observations here.  The MJO is phase 7-8 is all we should be focusing on and that points towards a bigger storm as shown on previous runs of the Euro.  The active southern stream will most likely not lead to that much suppression and this means a lot more with a pos NAO because not much can prevent it from coming closer to the coast.  

 

Do not panic!  My guess is models will come back up with the snowfall amounts tonight or tomorrow afternoon.  Going with observations and not models.  

Blog started by Mike DeFino , on 117 days ago
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John Manetta
Marcus it is true that VA benefits can be difficult to get and take a long time to receive, however I have the maximum VA disability pension (due to the enemy getting lucky in Iraq) and am eligible for the G.I. bill anytime I choose to use it.
116 days ago
 
Marcus wild
GI bill eh...va benefits is like trying to get a 3-6" snowstorm in Philly...
117 days ago
 
John Manetta
Thanks Marcus, I'm glad to be here and can't wait to use the G.I. bill to go back to college to finish what I started and get a masters degree in meteorology, then maybe graduate school for the doctorate so that I can do some official forecasts.
117 days ago
 
JohnG
locals staying steady so far.
117 days ago
 
JohnG
yes its me.
117 days ago
 
Jbat
Rebel, is that you? Is John G another pseudonym like Mookie?
117 days ago
 
JohnG
one to four. ha
117 days ago
 
Marcus wild
Good writeup John. Welcome to the crew, I hope you are right. For the sake of the HAARP base in Alaska I hope you are right. I will destroy that thing for shootin laser beams into my ionosphere!

:)

PF CHANGS for dinner here if ya need an idea. I usually only go out to eat if I'm in a good mood during winter storms, but for this one I need to drink. Haha!
117 days ago
 
John Manetta
My wife can't make up her mind as far as what to order to eat so I will do a little forecasting. Firstly, I joined this site about a week ago and have said several times that computer models, operational and numerical are guidance, nothing more, nothing less. A good forecaster looks at the models and uses their solutions to guide him/her in their forecast by using their talent in forecasting as the primary idea of what will occur, using the computer models as nothing more then what they are, guidance. A few times in the past couple of days I also went over the fact that computer models tend to shift from one solution to a completely different one, sometimes drastically forecasting opposite solutions in back to back runs. All this being said, I am going to completely disagree with Tim and say that the models will go back toward where they were, possibly stronger, possibly not as strong but the Delaware Valley should see more then 1 to 3 inches and it could be much more significant then that. Please, bear in mind that I am not the type of forecaster that loves snow to the point that I forecast snowstorms even when it looks unlikely, I forecast the most likely outcome of a given pattern and closer to the event, the amounts. [Of course I am speaking of winter weather events]
117 days ago
 
Jbat
Obviously not great trends today but everyone needs to relax until tomorrow night. Fluctuations like this happen all the time.
117 days ago
 
Mikey B
is the fat lady warming up yet?.....
117 days ago
 
Marcus wild
Again with "keep you opinions to yourself"
Last time I checked this is a blog, a place to express your opinions.
117 days ago
 
Chris Long
Mark, how are the odds for us now if it's trending southward and end up missing 95/295 corridor? Not an expert, just asking.
117 days ago
 
Mark A
I honestly would have called it a bust by now but the odds are for us now.
117 days ago
 
Mark A
You tell em Tyler!!
117 days ago
 
Mikey B
wow, this went from a get your shovels out, to a get your broom ready in a few hours....:(
117 days ago
 
Tyler
Alright we will see what happens, instead of calling it a bust why dont you guys just keep your opinions to yourself because its extrememly funny people are acting like this when its 3 days out...bottom line. It can easily trend back to a good snowstorm just as fast as it started trending towards the worst. Just chill out people!
117 days ago
 
Marcus wild
A phrase like "phases 7 and 8 won't lead to suppression"

It's weather, it can and do as it please. Alls it takes is to miss the phase with the southern s/w and bam suppression.

Now on the other end, I don't see the STJ shutting itself off like this all of a sudden, storms all year have had more juice.

I'm not giving up at all, I mean I was all in for snow yesterday, and I will continue to be all in, ill ride my ship to the bottom of the ocean.

There's a flight schedule for a data drop for this storm for the 00z tonight so hopefully that's good information we like.
117 days ago
 
Reggie Smith
this storm is done. 1-3 inches. who cares.
117 days ago
 
Mikey B
towel in hand.....
117 days ago
 


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