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Post Christmas Storm Becoming Snowier!

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The Post Christmas storm has been shown on the models as a storm that will move well to our west and be rain for the Middle Atlantic into the Northeast.  I posted blog a few days ago arguing for the eastward shift starting with the blocking setting up that would prevent such a solution.  Well the GFS has come around in a very big way and shows a big time snow storm for Philly on northward!

 

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One of the reasons mentioned in the blog was the blocking that was very favorable for an East Coast Snow Storm.  The blocking has a tendency to be weakened too quickly on the models.  Another thing mentioned was the phase 2 MJO showing the trough in the Eastern US.  The models have backed off the MJO intensity but the latest IR imagery clearly shows the tropical forcing setting up towards a phase 2 with convection increasing south of Sri Lanka and the rest of the Indian Ocean.  

 

The EURO keeps the inland solution but look at the lack of blocking:

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The GFS shows the block:

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Canadian model lso shows the block:

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Another bias of the European model might also be showing up and it is related to another factor that argues for the eastward shift.  The active pacific will keep things moving and prevent a very deep trough that destroys the block.  The Euro shows a cut off system in the PAC right off the West Coast that prevents the "kicker s/w" from being deeper and kicking the system further east.  It is the only model that does this and has a tendency to do this.  

 

The Euro ensembles show an eastward adjustment:

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Ensemble support from the GFS is also showing up...notice the inland and warm solution is disappearing from the members below:

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Blog started by Mike DeFino , on 152 days ago
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Steve
I'm hoping there is snow when i fly in to NYC at 2pm on the 28th! That would be sweeeeet, coming from 40C weather to snow lol!
152 days ago
 
tim riggins
https://www.facebook.com/WxRisk

many people commenting on that are giving up on the snow on the 26-28th.

Do you guys think the philly area, dc and nyc region will get a good snowstorm? or will it be rain once again to ruin everything.
152 days ago
 
SgtSnow
Alice,
Until the development issues get modeled out which won't happen until after Fridays storm gets by its hard to say. Any statement as to precip type made right now would be a guess since just about all types could be argued if X Y and Z happens. If you read this blog long enough you see valid arguments made for all types. Since this is at the front end of a pattern change the uncertainty lingers longer.
152 days ago
 
Alicia Smith
Whats the word on DC impacts. Rain, mix, or snow?
152 days ago
 
snowtrain
I guess it's possible Marcus. However I think if it is a Miller A without a transfer then the most likely outcome would be an apps runner or a coastal hugger. The confluence north and west of us causes the energy transfer b/c it's too powerful for the primary to move any further north. If the primary becomes stronger then it will move further north into the block, conversely if the confluence isn't as strong then same outcome. Still lots for the models to figure out and we still need to get past the storm tonight/tomorrow then the Xmas "clipper/event" and see how that affects everything as well. I do think we can start to remove the GLC from the cards, but outside of that everything is "on the table" still.
152 days ago
 
Marcus wild
It's trending towards a miller a is what I think...

But well see... Pattern hasn't looked like this in 2 years.
152 days ago
 
Marcus wild
That's why I said remix. Not quite a classic miller b..
152 days ago
 
snowtrain
Marcus it's still modeled as a Miller B. It's tracking the spine of the apps then reforming off the coast of SC. It's now a trend in our favor if we could get the primary to not travel as far north prior to transfer it would really help us out in the coastal plain. Now I am much more intrigued in this storm than I was yesterday. Once this blizzard in Midwest wraps up in Canada and the models can see how this block is setting up then we should start to see them all resemble each other a bit more. Nonetheless after this the pattern looks very ripe for more coastal development! Mother Nature looks to be sending us some gifts i hope.
152 days ago
 
Blue Blaster
Please let the trend go in this direction. I need one more large event. Packers/movers here on the 9th and outta here on the 10th. Not greedy - just one more. Ok, two.
152 days ago
 
Marcus wild
Lol blue I agree.

Setup looking good for us finally.
152 days ago
 
Blue Blaster
Let's see if the other 12z models trend in this direction, especially the Euro. It's not that I don't trust the GFS - well, ok - I don't trust the GFS.
152 days ago
 
Marcus wild
12z gfs Georgia to Philly miller a remix. Great Lakes cutter is gone.

I'm on board for a significant snow event for Philly for this storm.

12z gfs shows rain to an EXTENDED period of snow as the storm hits the block and stops moving.

I fully expect to see this show up off shore within the next 2 days with a classic nor Easter. High pressure showed up in Quebec WAY east of lastnights 00z run. Being that high another 100-200 miles east and BAM.
152 days ago
 
kelly peron
like I said in a previous post, as long as it doesn't snow January 4th, we fly out for a cruise. =) lol

Kelly
152 days ago
 
Marcus wild
He's just showing everyone this went from the Great Lakes to the coast. No one has a clue if where it's going to rain or snow. Those details won't be ironed out until Monday at the earliest... And even then that's still to early.

Trends are key here.
152 days ago
 
SgtSnow
Holding out hope for a White Christmas.
152 days ago
 
Jeff Vitkun
Still going to be just heavy rain for us on the coast :(((((
152 days ago
 
Carole
Mike: Great blogs and maps. A White Chritmas ? Hope it turns out like the movie and snow later in the week? What a bonanza of the white stuff for here in the Philly suburbs and other areas.Time will tell.Thanks for the info.
152 days ago
 
scoopy
Good stuff Mike...
Keep the good news coming (:
152 days ago
 


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