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Late November Storm

 

Models are all over the place for the system coming in the days 7-10 range.  The general consensus right now is the storm will pass to the west and bring us some rain, but the models are having a very tough time.  The differences between the euro ensembles and the euro are fairly large and the the GFS changes every 6hrs! 

 

Below are 4 ensemble members from the GFS at 00z, this is the only member showing a snow storm but the key here is to see why it does it:

Screen shot 2012-11-19 at 7.54.30 AM

 

The third member is the one showing a big snow storm in this run.  The major differences are the location of the ridging in the Pacific and the displacement of the polar vortex.  The southward displacement of the PV prevents the storm from turning north into the Midwest.  I highlighted the trough axis in all members but the west coast trough idea is very sketchy to me.  Does not fit the pattern and the tropical forcing argues strongly against it.

Screen shot 2012-11-19 at 7.55.05 AM

 

Trough going around the PV and is setting up to take a perfect track for a big snowstorm.  This member has the most reasonable representation in the Gulf of Alaska giving the current SST configuration and the expected tropical forcing.  However, it is bullish with the negative AO and that is the main reason why we see this snow storm threat on the member.  

 

Screen shot 2012-11-19 at 8.15.08 AM

 

 

MJO

Screen shot 2012-11-19 at 8.33.58 AM

 

 

MJO has a weak signal right now but has a phase 6-7 look to the convection across the tropics.  This matches up perfectly with the Euro Ensembles from yesterday which show us heading into a phase 1 right during the storm time period:

 

Screen shot 2012-11-19 at 8.33.27 AM

 

 

 

Below is a composite for November MJO in Phase 1:

Screen shot 2012-11-19 at 8.39.03 AM

 

A lot of things are not going to match up with this composite...the positive west pacific oscillation will be incorrect along with the west based NAO.  But notice the lower heights across the southeast which would favor a better storm track for cold and snow into portions of the Northeast.  The composites into December also show a similar solution.

 

EURO DAY 10 ENSEMBLE VS OPERATIONAL

Screen shot 2012-11-19 at 8.48.36 AM

 

 

OP

Screen shot 2012-11-19 at 8.48.51 AM

 

 

 

Conclusion:

 

-Late November storm is showing up on models but the track will shift a lot in the next several days.  

 

-Potential does exist for a snowstorm in the Northeast, as several factors suggest a correction to the east with this system.  But how far east will determine where this threat sets up!

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Blog started by Mike DeFino , on 185 days ago
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Jeff Vitkun
Looks like no snow today, maybe a little rain. Forcasters last night on TV said rain/snow start 3am. 6:30am now and nothing yet. After today will be another warm up. Looks like we may have to wait till January for the white stuff!!!!
178 days ago
 
Marcus wild
Lol Cynthia. Relax Rob can't forecast the world, remember you can find yor local forecast on the site.
185 days ago
 
CYNTHIA L CLARK
rob:

I was wondering if you could give me the forcast for Martha's Vineyard from Nov 20th to Nov 25th. Precip and Temp wise.
185 days ago
 
CYNTHIA L CLARK
Rob:

I was reading the blog on the possible storm coming in the end of November. Would Syracuse get it? If so would it be rain or snow?
If snow how much? Would you know approx date?
185 days ago
 
Jeff Vitkun
Nice...keeping my fingers crossed for this to happen to us here on Long Island!!! Let it happen!!!!! I'll be back often to check on this one. Great info!!!! Thanks!!
185 days ago
 
SgtSnow
Mike,

Great teaser post. You have me hooked for the next cople of days. Even if the factors don't all come together it's fun to check the pulse and learn.
185 days ago
 
CYNTHIA L CLARK
Hi Mike:

Would Syracuse NY get this storm? If so would it be rain or snow?
If it is snow how much would Syracuse get? When would this storm come approx date?
186 days ago
 


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